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Speaker 1 00:00:24 What did you think about chapter four? I liked it as I was reading it again for like the 12th time <laugh>. It's, um, it sparked a lot more thoughts in my head, especially speaking with, uh, people who were reading it for the first time, people who hadn't even heard of it. Um, you, you start to have all these kind of thoughts about how we can be like these meola dogs and what did they do years ago? How, what was life like before processed food came along? You know, it talks about how we as human, as hunter gatherers had to go find our food. Dogs were the same way. You know, they had to go find their food. They didn't eat at 6:00 AM and 6:00 PM every single day. You know, we forget that because we live in such a modern society now. You know, it's like we get up, you feed the dog, you get ready for work, you go to work, you come home by six to about six o'clock that time.
Speaker 1 00:01:29 By the time you get home, the dog's hungry. You feed the dog and you just end up on like the 6:00 AM 6:00 PM schedule. And dogs, I mean, they'll adapt to it, but they weren't geared for that. You know, evolutionarily, they were geared for it. Hunting and gathering and going a couple days without food. They had to go find it. And, you know, or find scraps left over from another, you know, animal interaction and feast on what was left. They didn't always eat, you know, breakfast isn't served on a platter in the forest. <laugh>, you know, <laugh> or even back when there was village Dogs, you know, thousands and thousands of years ago. So it goes into all that, which I liked having a little bit of the history of it's, it's like, okay, what did those, what did these long lived dogs do? What was their life kind of like.
Speaker 1 00:02:12 That part I liked, but I'm sure we'll get into more of it. There's a, there's a ton of good, ton of good tidbits in this, but I like how it started off with how, um, what the older, what, what the ancestors did, and how o often they ate, how they had to move around to find it. You know, it involved a lot of activity. You have these little dogs, you know, um, people who have like the Yorkies or the Chihuahuas or, you know, their tiny, they're not gonna go hunting around for food. They're, they're landscape might be your apartment. And then, you know, their, their food, their breakfast and lunch and dinner gets served on a platter for them. And they're not, you know, going on the hunt in the trek, <laugh>, you know, trying to find their meal. And it does go into fasting and how important that is a little bit, or how it's, okay.
Speaker 1 00:03:01 I think we touched on fasting and some of the other chapters. Um, but it's, it's quite all right. It's quite evolutionally, ef evolutionarily, that's a big word, <laugh>. Evolutionarily okay. For them to, um, not eat for several hours. It's, it's okay and it'll work. But, um, yeah, I'd read the, again, I had a lot more thoughts about conversations I had with people over the last week of, you know, explaining to them why, because they would ask me, they're like, why is this book so good? I'm just like, that's gonna take me several hours to explain, but I'll try and condense it. <laugh> the best I can. I was like, it, it goes in, I bust a lot of these myths and everything, you know, and the things that you can do, um, to make them better. You know how there's another good part? I remember reading about the, how it's such a big billion dollar industry pet food, processed pet food is such a big billion dollar industry, and most people aren't aware.
Speaker 1 00:04:01 There's only, like, I think I said it was five companies that own like, that dominate everything. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's crazy. Honestly, it was like 80, 86 billion sticks out to me for some reason. Um, but yeah, a lot of people don't realize, like, who owns who. I remember having conversations about that as well. You know, you might like, you might not like this one particular brand, but then you don't realize that Mars owns it. You don't realize that Colgate, Palm Olive owns it. You don't realize that Nestle owns it. You're just like, oh, I'm gonna boycott this brand because, you know, it did this, but you go switch to another one. And, you know, how many companies does Mars own? How many companies does Nestle own? You know, people don't realize that either. So it, it breaks down that too. I, I like how it, um, divulges quite a, it almost feels like insider secrets a little bit that the pet food companies, they don't want you to know about, they don't want the average pet parent to know about. But it's just like, this is what happens. This is what goes on behind the scenes that we're just not really told when you walk into the pet store, because the average pet store retailer doesn't have time and the hours to explain who owns who under what company's, you know, umbrella and how big the industry is and all that. So here's, there's tons of good things. What did you find that stuck out to you?
Speaker 2 00:05:14 Um, I think the one thing, which is a real hurdle for most pet parents, especially first timer, is that your dog doesn't have to eat every day, and your dog doesn't have to eat multiple meals every day.
Speaker 1 00:05:30 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:05:31 And it's a real, um, mind bending shock to a lot of pet parents because they, they tend to, you know, like, oh, okay. Um, we, you know, we eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you know, uh, we have a fixed time, so our dogs should, should eat that way because we think it's normal. You know? Um, again, with the science that's coming out of this book, they tell you, you, that actually humans don't even have to have three meals a day. Hello. You know, um, again, a shocker. But, um, it really is, because for me, when I talk to potential adopters, um, for dogs, they, they get very worried that they're going to kill the dog, or they get upset if like, oh, the dog's not eating. Do I have to bring it to the vet? Like, straight away there's something with my dog. And I'm like, actually, the dog might be just auto fasting.
Speaker 2 00:06:23 Choosing not to eat. That's actually a good thing. So long as, you know, you don't see like the vomiting or diarrhea or whatever. But if it's, if it's doing as per normal, it just doesn't want to eat, it's okay. You know? And that one is a big, um, mind bending trip for a lot. I mean, like, every single pet parent I know the first time, you know, um, even for myself, when I was learning, I was just like, whoa, really? Like, can I do that? You know? Am I gonna kill my dog? I don't look so sad. You know, <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:06:59 Yeah. It's scary. It's, it's scary when you experience it, you know? Mm-hmm. It's, it's, it's a lot. You're just like, because, you know, for us, we know that we don't eat when we don't feel good. So you automatically assume your pet doesn't feel good. Because for us, like we are, we are wired to, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. We, we want those sweets, or we want that sandwich, or we want that, you know, big dinner at the end of the day, you know? And like, you know, I just, I got over a sinus infection just two weeks ago. I was like, I was not hungry. You know, you're not hungry. You don't want anything, or you don't want as much. And we know that when we get sick or have the flu or what have you, we're just like, uhuh. So we just assume that our dogs and our animals, because it usually is one of the first signs, if they don't feel good, they're just like, I don't want any food. So it's hard. It can be very hard to differentiate, you know? You know, do they not feel good or is it okay? And that comes with this practice in life and, and
Speaker 2 00:07:48 Learning. Yeah. Yeah. So, so for me, you know, um, that was like the first thing that jumped out because like, that is the number one obstacle for a lot of pet platforms when you're trying to like, you know, tell them like, actually, you know, once a day it's actually quite good, and you don't have to feed every day. And they're very horrified, you know, that, uh, you are being very cruel, you know? Um, to, to the, the other thing again, which they reemphasize in this book is, you know, you eat better, eat less, and eat much less often. You know, um, that, that is, that is a mantra that they sort of like emphasize, uh, throughout the book. Um, you know, the very basic thing, you know, that they, they talk about, and I love, I love how they, they used the story of Bluey and Maggie, the two illa dogs in the beginning of the chapter.
Speaker 2 00:08:39 So I think it's relatable for a lot of, uh, new for pet parents who are new to this idea of why, what's a healthy doll for? Oh, you know, is it po possible? You know, because they think, I mean, like, Hey, I, most people I know when they see my dog, um, she doesn't look her age. She's 10 years old this year, you know? Um, she's still, you know, kind of like a crazy little hyperactive little dog. Um, but for a lot of people, they think when you're 10, you are really, really old. And there's a certain look for a dog at 10 mobility, um, the white gray, you know, the, the white hair, uh, you know, the, you know, the low energy, you know, uh, maybe dementia kind of thing, um, going on. Um, so a lot of people, when they look at the medium sized dogs, it's like, oh, 10 years old, like golden retrievers, you know, 10 for most people now, when they talk about a lab modern day Labrador and Golden Retriever 10 is like, you know, it's like the clock is ticking very fast, you know?
Speaker 2 00:09:54 And, and like, yeah. So they, they think like, oh, if it hit 16, 17, that's like, wow. But now in this book, they say, my Fuilla is like, you know, 2022 in a world that's a meth fuz, you know? And it's like, can my dog really live that long? You know? Um, so what I like about the, the beginning of this book is that it reinforces and uses examples, you know, with, with, um, these two dogs. Like, why is it they live so long? You know, what, what was it? And, you know, when you think about it, like low stress, lots of, lots of running around, you know, eating. Like we are basically, you know, raw food, you know, on, on the farm. They were working dogs, they were, you know, it's not your typical, say, urban dog, domestic dog, now pet dog. Um, you know, so it, it, it gives you an idea of like, what is possible and, you know, like, where are you compared to that?
Speaker 2 00:11:01 And like, how should we, how can we get there? You know, just like you were saying, like, you read the book the first time and you saw, I'm like, Hmm, you know, what, what, uh, you know, where am I in terms of, of, of achieving those goals and how, how can I switch my lifestyle, adjust my lifestyle to incorporate that ideal lifestyle for my dog as well into my life? Because you, it's really asking the pet parent to think very hard. Are you willing to change to, to improve the quality of your dog's life? You know, because a lot of times, most pet parents I know especially don't wanna around. They, you know, they're like, oh, uh, they, they make the dogs wear shoes when they go out. They, they think like, oh, can't let the dog get dirty paws. You know? Um, and especially with Covid, the, the last couple of years, the, the paranoia over germs is such that I've seen pet actually use disinfectant wipes to literally like, clean your dogs, you know, and, and wipe them mouth.
Speaker 2 00:12:17 And I'm like, whoa, don't do that. You know? Don't do that. Uh, if you wanna rinse, rinse with just water, that's fine, but don't put those chemical stuff, you know, on. But that's what, that's what a lot of, um, humans are translating in a covid paranoia of homo, you know, the, the germs onto the pet animals. And unwittingly, you are increasing the toxic load for, for, for your dogs and actually for yourself too in the long term. But we don't, we are not conscious of all this. So that's what I like about, um, the book. And, you know, they talk about the power of food. That's what, that's what I actually, um, you know, at the end of the day, uh, uh, I think, uh, for, you mean, it's like, Hey, food is medicine if you know how to use it. Right? You know, food can kill you, but food can heal, heal you at the same time. It can make you so
Speaker 1 00:13:16 True.
Speaker 2 00:13:16 It can make you better. So you, if you, if you are more conscious and aware of that, you can actually, you know, um, start making more conscious wise choices for your animal, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:13:34 Uh, one sentence that, um, is under the power of food, it says, understanding the power of food is essential to gaining better health and extending healthy life for you and your dog. It's the cornerstone of lifestyle medicine. And right below that, it says, food is information. See, we're not really taught that food is information. And I was having conversations with pet donors this past weekend, and, you know, talking about like, we're not, we're not taught this unless you really go and seek out that information about nutrition, you know, you're just going to eat what you like and grab what you like and, and grab the easiest thing that might be, um, available and cost effective for yourself, you know, for your pet. And we're never totally like told to our face when you get a dog that, you know, the power, that nutrition and the power that food has, that it can heal and that it can harm. And now we're all starting to learn that ultra processed food isn't quite living up to its, you know, it's standard that we we're kind of under the impression it had, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:14:41 Yeah. I mean, one of the terms that's, I think, uh, we, he, we've been hearing like a lot more now, uh, in the fresh feeding communities, functional food, you know, um, that, you know, like some pet friends, like, Hey, you know, uh, if you say, my dog Ancestrally was a scavenger, right? But how, how come we are, we are feeding the, you know, like mushroom or, you know, like, um, avocado oil, coconut oil, you know, to, to animals. And, um, usually I would have to explain to them like, we are using these wholesome whole foods as functional foods to improve their life, their, their health, you know, because the, a lot of pepper, again, what this book does, if you read it more, it's like, it, it, it, um, looks behind the scenes in a way on how commercial pet food is created. You know? And when you, when you understand how modern day, uh, farming methods are done, you know, especially like, you know, like cattle beef, right? Even for the human, for the human food con, uh, industry, you know, and, and the pet foot industry, you, you'll realize, uh, certain terms come up, like we mentioned in the future, like castle, you know, um, and factory
Speaker 1 00:16:00 Farmed animals.
Speaker 2 00:16:02 Yeah. Factory, farm animals and, and the quality of how the animals are reared and then killed and processed. Processed, yeah. Very important. You know, that's
Speaker 1 00:16:13 A whole rabbit hole for people who've never heard about it. You know, there's ance between like regenerative farmed animals and, you know, factory farm animals completely different. And the nutrient profiles are different, which, you know, we're not taught unless you go seeking that information out as well, or, or listening to someone who's an expert in that area. You know, it's, it's crazy. The, the nutrient profile in a, you know, conventionally raised chicken is gonna be completely different than a pasture raised chicken. Same for cows, you know? Yeah. And then the fresh food, um, the fresh feeders are learning that and applying that to their animals as well, and to their meals and what have you. But yeah, it's, I think that's one of the other things that can seem kind of overwhelming when you start learning, you know, the backside of the industry, how yeah. The processed food is made, and then how
Speaker 2 00:16:59 Those ingredients are sourced. Yeah. I mean, like, for me, the what Nutrigenomics, like the first time I heard that, like, what the hell is that, you know, <laugh>, it's like, I sco my head like, oh my God. I was like, I really felt, um, I, I was going through this like rabbit hole, but this huge educational thing, you know, like, you know, what, what is, how is our food procured? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know? And it, it, this is the part where I think pet parents, if you make the effort to, to spend some time, and this book does it very well, actually. I mean, it's a lot, but if you just even read like 10 minutes a day, just, just to get it into little bite size, you know, chunks for you to digest, there's so much information in, in, in, in, in this chapter alone that it's, it's quite, um, heavy, you know?
Speaker 2 00:17:53 But, um, it really reinforces the fact, like, you know, the pet food industry, you know, the power they have, the influence they have, uh, over the health of our animals, because food really is the number one important factor for health. Like, then after that, there's other, other factors. But if you, if you, you know, for a modern day pet, you know, if you just do focus really like as much as you can on the food, your chances of a of healthy dog is much higher compared to feeding say, a Kibo diet, you know? Yeah, for
Speaker 1 00:18:35 Sure.
Speaker 2 00:18:36 Yeah. So it's, it's, it's interesting and with, you know, like what Rodney and, uh, Dr. Becker have been doing all these years, you know, like really like, uh, fighting for, you know, like empowering and educating the public. I mean, like what Planet Pause in 2012, I mean, like, that's how long ago it was not, I mean, like, you know, you, you think about it, you know, you know, when Planet pauses a Facebook page, you know, they, they, they, they posted in 2012 an image and a list of all the ingredients found in a typical bag of commercial dog food. You know, that that alone gave like half a million shares overnight on Facebook. You know, so that, that sort of tells you just like, wow, people had no fucking clue, man. <laugh>, you know, they, they, they, they, they really, they really didn't have a fucking clue about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:19:34 And the one about Raw Hyde, it says, and if, if for any pet parent watching this, listen, this, if you have not seen the video about Rawhide, um, you might be one the 45 million that has already Yep. Yeah. The one about Raw Hyde, there's a post and there's a video about how Rawhide is made. And I believe it was a video has garnered 45 million, uh, views. Yeah, it is, it's
Speaker 2 00:19:58 Probably more than dead by now, <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:20:00 I know. I love the way the video was done, as gross as it kind of is. And it, it's a very nice way of explaining like, the really grossness of how raw hide is made that most people just do not know. And I love the way it was put together because it was, it was cute enough to keep you entertained and you're like, oh my God, this is so gross. But I still gotta keep watching it,
Speaker 2 00:20:18 You know?
Speaker 1 00:20:18 Yeah. But, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:21 So, um, planet Pause, Rodney, Rodney, I mean, like, I think he was like, really like in terms of, uh, translating all this like science heavy data, heavy, uh, information. He has a gift and bless his, yes, bless him. He's so talented. He has his red gift to actually translate everything that he reads in these medical journals. Cuz um, for those of you who don't know, he's actually a science nerd. So he, he absorbs all these things and then he can translate it into something, um, really into layman's language, but also visually, because like on Facebook, he started to use like pictures and video, you know? And if you have not seen any of his educational videos, I mean, that's how I started learning before this book was done. You know, that's how I started to learn. It's through his viral videos, you know, um, and Dr.
Speaker 2 00:21:22 Becker's articles as well, but really his visual, um, these videos that he has done over the years, and there's a huge repository of it. So just go and check it out. But you learn so much. Because I remember this <inaudible> thing, I shared it with my dog friends in Singapore, and they had no clue. They didn't know, even to today, when I, when I still share it today, you think it's so old, but I still share it. Right? And they go like, really? Oh my God. You know? Yuck. And it's like, oh shit, I just bought so of my dog, you know, throw out, um, milk bowls. That's the end one. Throw out, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:22:04 There they go. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:22:06 Yeah. You know, so, um, for, for, for you new pet parents, like really go to Planet, pause his Facebook page. He's got a lot of videos. So if you wanna share these things or understand it at a glance, that's very good. Cuz he has a talent, he has a talent there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:22:27 I like how they say too, that there, because you know, so many video views in how Planet Pause has 3.5 million followers now, or by 2020 it was, I'm, I think he's close to 4 million now for the Planet Pauses Facebook page. It was, it, they're right when they say, you know, pet owners were desperate for guidance. You had those ones that kind of came along and I, I certainly was one, you know, I saw a post or come through my newsfeed or saw a video that, well, when they came out, you know, the early ones, you're just like, wait a minute, this is a cute catchy video, but it's, it's telling me something. And I'm like, well, I care about my dog and I care about my pet, you know? Yeah. This is, this is information. So like I said, you know, if it's, if it's catchy enough to keep you watching it, then you know, the video is done its job.
Speaker 1 00:23:09 And if you're open to the, you know, perspective of what it's telling you. Yeah. But there's definitely there, there's, because it kind of totally ballooned kind of so quickly, so fast. It was just like, oh, everybody kind of, either they found each other or they're just like, they found their topic and they're just like, oh my God. You know, like, I knew this all along, but now he is like totally putting it out there that, you know, there's been raw feeders that have been around for like 20 years. We're just like, what do you mean? You've been doing this for 20 years And they have, and they're just like, and now, you know, information is coming, you know, more to light that. Yes, it is. You know, there are bad things that happen in the pet food industry, and there's ways you can feed your dog fresh species, appropriate food, and totally work it out and be great at it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:23:52 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:23:53 There's, there's been a definite hunger for, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:23:55 More
Speaker 1 00:23:56 Information and more education.
Speaker 2 00:23:58 And honestly, it's because of, I, I would, I would credit because of the wave, Rodney and, and, and Dr. Baha have been pushing so hard all these years, you know, to promote these ideas that pet parents are hungry, as you said, and they're asking for change because yes, the best way to change the industry is to vote of your dollar, right? So the pet food industry, who is so anti raw, well still is, but now you can actually see a slight change in the last couple of years where, you know, um, they're starting to put out, uh, hybrid diets, they will call it, or, you know, uh, they're trying to improve the quality of the, of the food, or they're trying to market a, a, a new towards these, uh, pet parents who are demanding a fresher diet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like, like, uh, you know, more trans, more transparency, you know, which is still a uphill battle, but it's moving there, you know? So I, I would say the pet food industry is, is realizing that, ah, if we don't join it, um, it's, it's, uh, they're gonna, they're
Speaker 1 00:25:12 Gonna miss the boat, they're gonna miss the bus, and it's gonna carry off that album. So, of course, you know, like these big industries, they want to be part of it, and they see the demand because it's definitely customer demand driven, you know? Yeah. If we are demanding things be more transparent or things be made better than at some point the, um, manufacturers have to do something to keep up with the demand of their clients and still make the billions of dollars that they're making. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:39 So,
Speaker 1 00:25:40 And it talks in one part how they kind of, the book is educating the pet owner about minimally processed, partially processed and ultra processed. Yeah. And how the pet food industry has kind of hijacked some of the terms, like naturally made or, you know, raw coded or what have you. They're kind of hijacking these terms that is legal for them to do, you know, but it's confusing and deceiving the customers even more because just because you see natural on the front of the bag or anywhere on the bag, really, is it really natural? If it was made with corn, gluten meal, which is a technically a next, we can't go to the store.
Speaker 1 00:26:21 You can't go to the store and buy corn gluten meal. You can't go to the store and buy a high fructose corn syrup. You know, if that's in your packaging, then how, you know, how natural is it? It's been denature, it's been processed so much. You know, you can't buy a chicken meal or meat meal at the store. You know, you've got an ultra processed diet. If your food you're buying has been been made with meals and corn syrups and ingredients you can't get at the store yourself. Cause some of 'em are only commercially available. So I like that it goes down into breaking down, you know, what to look for, um, as far as types of food, like I said, minimally processed to ultra process. But yeah, it's still deceiving out there to the customer of how these industries and, and manufacturers and big companies are still trying to use their marketing tactics to
Speaker 2 00:27:11 Kind of
Speaker 1 00:27:12 Persuade you and sway you into different directions and confuse you. Yeah. At that point, when you get so confused, you just give up. You're just like, I need food. I'm gonna take it home and go off <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:27:20 Yeah. I think what this book I love is that it <laugh>, well, I don't know if it gently introduces you or it, you know, draws back the curtain for a lot of pet parents who never knew anything about, uh, big pet food companies and their tactics, their, their methods of, you know, how to get around, um, selling poor quality animal feed great food and label it as, you know, pet food, which should be, you know, feed, animal feed versus animal food. If we, if we use our normal intellectual, how we look at the work without playing with the definitions as what the pet food industry does with echo, you know, you'll realize that, um, what majority of the things in your, in your, in, in the pet food owl is pet feed. You know? And, and what I love is that this book, um, really teaches you, or at least tells you what you should look out for when you next go to, to, to, you know, when you next go and buy food for your animal, you know?
Speaker 2 00:28:40 Um, because because of the demand of pet parents who wanted fresher food and the big pet food industry wasn't doing it just yet. So you had a lot of these small family-owned entrepreneurs Right. Who were basically pet parents themselves who wanted Yeah. Better quality food. So they started, you know, um, making, making their own food, right? Fresh, raw, uh, freeze dried, slow cook, whatever, but basically as minimally, minimally processed compared to commercial pet food. Right? And that started a whole movement when the pet food industry started to sit up and go like, Hey, how come these people, I was spending money with these like small mom and pop ro you know, fresh food stores, right? And there's, there was, there is a, a practice which is not talked about, where sometimes they buy over these companies, not, not to sell and promote the brand, but to bury it.
Speaker 2 00:29:44 It's exactly what big pharma does, you know, or anything to do that will help humanity. And if it goes across, if it, if it doesn't promote, um, the, uh, hungry money-grubbing, uh, profit driven companies, they buy it and then they hide it. You know, they just keep the patterns and then you'll never see light of day oven. It, you know? Yeah. So this is, this is one of those dirty tactics that, um, big pet food companies used to do a lot, I think, still do, you know, but with the momentum that, you know, um, more conscious pet parents are asking for fresher fruit and more smaller businesses are starting up, you know, in different countries. Um, even in Singapore now, we have a lot more, um, raw food companies now, very small. But, you know, um, it was much better compared to, say, 10 years ago when there was only one company that brought in Dr.
Speaker 2 00:30:41 Billinghurst buff, you know, from Australia. And, and that was, that wasn't cheap, you know? But yeah. So it's like we, even in Singapore, which is not as, um, I would say, uh, advanced or, or more conscious compared to in the US in terms of, you know, mass population, right? Um, there is a growing awareness that, hey, there's this thing about fresh feeding, you know, and then table scraps, that's the other thing. We can feed table scraps. That's yes, you can feed so long as it's not, you know, cooked fats or cooked bones, you know, that kind of thing. Um, yeah, you dog can eat the, cut the trimmings of, of your food, you know? But yeah, so I, I really like this chap this, this chapter, you know, like you said, it, it talks about how, how do you break down what is ultra processed process slash process, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 00:31:44 And the other thing is it really mirrors what human doctors are telling us already. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, when you see the doctor, especially a functional doctor say like, eat less processed food, eat more fresh food. Yes. So actually, you know, and unfortunately vets are still behind, but there's a growing awareness now even in the, the, the vet, um, the vets in around the world where, you know, hey, there's this thing about nutrition and fresh feeding and, you know, um, diet, you know, uh, a lot of them were never trained in vet school. But because there's this demand, now there's more awareness, especially when there are more pet parents who go to the, to the vet and say like, okay, how can I improve my dog's diet? Is there a, is there a better way? And then you will see that actually there are integrative vets, functional, you know, integrative vets, uh, who have been doing it for years. Like Dr. Becker, you know, um,
Speaker 1 00:32:50 Laurie Kozik, um, Jodi rok, I believe, uh, Judy Morgan. There's several of 'em out there.
Speaker 2 00:32:58 Yeah. So, you know, um, I think this is, this is an amazing, exciting time for the fresh feeding community because this, this growing momentum and awareness of all this, like food is power, food is medicine, is really like that
Speaker 1 00:33:14 Is, it is, yeah. And even, so to kind of touch on that, cuz the, the book, um, in this chapter it did, it talked about how even if you do feed a, um, fresh, raw diet, or you're doing DIY or you're, or you're trying it out for the first time and not quite sure, you think you might be on the right track, but you might not totally be on the right track. And I have, I've heard stories and seen stories of how there are bad things that happen if you feed an unbalanced raw diet or you're not going by a recipe. And then that's what happens when vets kind of can get frustrated and understandably so, because now you, the client have gone in and you're just like, well, I'm feeding, you know, chicken, rice and potatoes because, well, it's real food, but it's not a balanced real meal.
Speaker 1 00:34:01 And, you know, with the nutrition that vets, veterinarians get in vet school, they, they don't spend, you know, decades learning about nutrition. They get taught how to take care of animals when they are sick. And there's been many, many vets that have also said, you know, care Becker says it all the time. You're like, they get a handful of hours of nutrition and that's it. They're more focused on, you know, recovering the problem instead of being proactive or learning how to be proactive at all the cases. So it can be very frustrating for vets and I, and I feel for them to be in that type of job. And you see a myriad of clients through the day, and you get some, you might end up with a dog that's deficient because the pet owner might not be feeding them the right way. So yes, it can be done wrong, but that's the, the kind of like shining star in all of this is there's so many opportunities to learn how to do it correctly.
Speaker 1 00:34:54 And that's what the book is teaching you is how to do it correctly. How to, you know, learn, look through all these marketing tasks with, you know, processed food, how it can be damaging to your dog as well, but what you can do to improve on it. And, you know, even if you don't discuss what you're feeding with, uh, what type of food you're feeding with your vet, there are ways to have, you know, good conversations with 'em. There's, there are stories where, you know, vets totally are not on board. And maybe that's not the vet for you anymore. You know, you might have to search around your area and, and find another one that you do because your vet needs to be your teammate. You know, you don't wanna go into the vet's office and, and have, you know, knock down drag out arguments.
Speaker 1 00:35:33 That's not fun for anybody. You know, and then we've talked about, about stress and bringing that home, and now the dog is stressed out because you were, you had an argument that day. But, um, yeah, there's, there's, there's ways to go around it to be, you know, kind and nice to your vets to have calm conversations. If you don't agree, then you know, you do, you know, you search out another one that is on your team and can help you with your dog to get properly nutrition. And we have all these resources the book goes into, uh, further down in the book, but there are resources that people can use to, you know, go by rest, use recipes, free recipes, you know, recipes you can purchase. There's all kinds of places to learn how to do it right. And that's why, again, it's so great to have some physical copy of the book to, to learn all these tips and tricks. But yeah, the, the goal is to not to get into arguments with your veterinarian <laugh> about the types of food you're eating and to do it the right way.
Speaker 2 00:36:28 Yeah, I mean, like, my, the, okay, because I don't drive, I don't own a car, uh, but I'm very lucky that, um, I've got technically two vet clinics within walking distance in my neighborhood. Um, the first one I went, you know, I, I liked the vet, but, um, it was a convent, a very conventional vet. Um, the second one that I went to, especially when I started my rescue work, um, they offered tcm, which was a plus, you know? Um, but they weren't, I mean, like, they're still very conventionally trained, the mindset, and they're slowly changing. But I remember when I first started and I told 'em like, oh, I'm feeding my dog raw. I never hid the fact that I was feeding my dog raw. And they were like, oh, okay. You know, and usually like the, the most common is like, oh, isn't it expensive?
Speaker 2 00:37:18 Like, the vet will actually ask me, isn't it expensive? But she cooks for her dog, her own dog, you know, but she cooks for her dog, like, you know, rice, the, uh, you know, meat, you know, the typical, but I said, actually, not really. If you know how to budget and sauce for stuff, um, you don't have to. Um, but what I love about this book so much, and I actually highly recommend this to all pet parents out there listening, is that buy two copies, at least one for yourself and one for your vet. Cuz that's what I did. I gave this book, the Feather Dog and Dr. Connor Brady's, uh, feeding Dogs Raw, um, to, to my, to my vet clinic. You know, I know that they're not like, say like super pro raw and ditch the dr the commercial pet food. But in the last, just the last couple of years, I realized because of Covid and when I, when I went like recently, um, it's like they had a freezer selling raw food for dogs in the main garage.
Speaker 2 00:38:24 And I was shocked. And I was like, oh fuck, that's so fucking amazing, man. You know, <laugh> like, like, you know, like, you know, I was so happy, you know, and, and, and to me it's a sign because I honestly think the more pet parents come forward to actually at least have an honest conversation with your, your vet. You know, like, Hey, I'm feeding my, my dog a fresh food diet. It doesn't have to be raw robot, a fresh food diet. You know, when they realize that there are actually more pet parents doing that, there's more demand for it, then they'll be more inclined to, Hey, this might be a business opportunity to look into, to help not just serve our, our pet parents that we are serving at a clinic, but also to improve business. Right. The profit margin in that sense. Cuz you're selling what pet parents want.
Speaker 1 00:39:18 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:19 Right. So, uh, yeah, I was super happy when I saw that chest of raw food, you know? That's awesome. Um, yeah, and it, it's really come a long way because I've been with this vet clinic for, uh, more than 10 years. So the change is happening, you know, the change is happening slowly but surely. So, you know, I, I, like I said, get two copies of this book and give it to your vet, even, even if they're like, like hardcore opposed to it. But just give it to them and say, here, this is signs back. You know, it's, it's written, it's got all these papers. And what I love about this chapter is that because, you know, they actually noted that, uh, one of the most interesting and recurring experiences they had when, while interviewing some of the world's top longevity experts, you know, has been their notable responses when they connected the dots on the subject.
Speaker 2 00:40:17 So, you know, when, when, when they interview these longevity experts, and then they say like, okay, so putting this in context to your pet dog, for instance, you know, um, what do you think, you know, what, what, you know, how do you feel about feeding fresh food as opposed to commercial pet food? And, you know, suddenly they saw a hit light bulb moment for them as some of them, you know, said, oh my God, this applies to my pet as well. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, it's not just for humans, right? So this, this was something for me was like a win a, a real win, because it's like, and it's such common sense to some of us, but not to everyone. It's when you, you know, slowly like, you know, like, okay, we talk about eating fresh food for humans. Can't we apply it to to to our pet dogs and cats as well, you know? Um, they need to eat a species appropriate diet to have a long life, a healthy life, you know, lifespan, lifespan. It
Speaker 1 00:41:25 Kinda, yeah. That brings up a thought to me kind of thinking about it. And I've, I've always wanted to ask, next time I go to my local zoo, I wanna ask like, the people that work there, because if you think about it, people who do work at any type of zoo, you know, or aquarium, you know, they know what turtles eat. They know what their sharks need to eat, they know what their giraffes need to eat. They know what their lions and tigers need to eat, or their zebras or what have you. I know what my local zoo, like, they have, um, a building towards the back where you can kind of see like the hospital section, and then you can kind of see the kitchen section and you can see where all the food is. You know, you could actually watch them, you know, chopping up food for the animals for the day, and they're chopping up real food.
Speaker 1 00:42:03 They've got carrots and broccoli and kale, your greens, you know, your meats for the big cats and all stuff. And what I wanna know is for the zookeepers who take care of those big animals who know what those big animals need to eat to survive, just as if they were in the wild, does that zookeeper person have a dog or cat at home? And what are they feeding the dog and cat? That would be interesting topic to add, because you think if you're working in the, you know, the animal field that the person who takes care of the giraffes or the zebras might also, you know, feed their dog appropriately. That's, that's one thing I wanna, that I wanna find out. That always comes to my mind. It's just like, you know, yeah. Like you said, with the experts, it's like, it doesn't, sometimes the light bulb doesn't kind of go off in that aspect, and they're just like, yeah, whoa. When Karen and Rodney actually talk to them, they're just like, oh, hey, hey, wait a minute. Okay. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:42:57 Oh shit. Oh my god. You know, suddenly they go like, I'm killing my animal. You know, I'm eating better than, you know. But, um, you know, I actually did, um, interview with big cat rescue founder of Carol Baskin in, uh, Florida us, and Oh, wow. And she actually told me that, um, at one point they did try to feed, uh, commercial pet food or, you know, like kibble kind of diet because it was being marketed to them, you know, it's like trying to feed the cats that as a, as an alternative. But they realized that it was, um, the wrong thing very quickly. So that's why they only feed basically a prey raw food, um, diet for, for, for those cats. And even though those cats, um, captive, um, what's the word? Uh, rescues, you know, from the, the, the, what do you call it? The, the illegal cat trafficking?
Speaker 1 00:43:57 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a sanctuary type where they put 'em where they, or where
Speaker 2 00:44:00 They, yeah, yeah. Because they cannot be rehabilitated to the wow. Because basically they've been so, uh, basically these animals are so fucked up, treated, you know, to the point that they will not be able to survive in the, wow. So those, um, cats at Big Cat Rescue are basically the ones that can't be released. So it's a sanctuary for these, you know, basically, uh, poor animals who just can't be released out, but they design the sanctuary in such a way that, um, it provides a lot of environmental enrichment for these giant, beautiful cats. I mean, we're talking about not just my kitty cat at home, you know, but these huge, you know, beautiful exotic cats, and they, they, um, really like design the place where they make runs and tunnels around the, the, the, the, the property so that the cats can move from one area to another.
Speaker 2 00:44:56 So they rotate. So they sort of migrate, um, around, and even like, uh, you know, like, um, um, giving like, uh, you know, fun things for, for the animals to, to play with, like say pumpkin stuff with food or, you know, or even like cardboard boxes, like typical ki kitty cafe. Give a cat a box. It doesn't matter whether it is a tiger, a lion, okay, a puba or your domestic little tabby cat, they all go into the damn box <laugh>, they love the cardboard box. You don't have to spend a lot of money on expensive, um, uh, cat bits. That's one thing I've learned through experience. All you have to do is just give them a, a a box and they'll try to squeeze their, their bodies inside. The smaller the box, they'll harder to squeeze. We have in Japan, there is this cat called Maru, m a r u, and he's like a, a celebrity cat where the Japanese daddy will, will give him boxes of different sizes, even when it's tiny, tiny.
Speaker 2 00:46:01 He's a big fat cat because, well, his diet is, his diet is something I'm a little concerned to me. But anyway, you know, he tries, he just keeps squeezing himself into a box. So if you ever wanna have some cat therapy when you are tired of work, go to YouTube and, uh, Google for Maru the Cat. Um, I think Maru now has a, a new, uh, sidekick, um, uh, second cat there. So I can't remember. My, my friend is really in tomorrow, so he, he, he tells me about it, but yeah, so sidetracked that everybody, but yes. You know, uh, the, the main point is what, yeah, even big cat rescue realized that, um, they can't feed processed food. It screws up the microbiome, the health of the animal big time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:46:51 That was, that was definitely one thing that just came to mind. I remember, um, I thought about it years ago and it kind of like goes in and out, but's just like, yeah, you know, if, especially like you go on field trips to the zoo as a kid, usually, you know, most of us that live, you know, in the major cities, you know, I've always, I grew up going to the zoo as a kid with schools and my grandma and all that stuff. And you're taught like as a kid, you know, from the zoo, you know, this is what a, you know, like I said, this is what the giraffe eats. This is what the ze eats, this is what the mongoose eats. This is what the, uh, oh, the red pandas, you know, every animal you can pretty much think of. They tell you like what they eat, but then we go home and we feed our dogs and cats, you know, these processed brown balls. And we don't even think twice about it until like, like I said, you know, I hate to repeat myself, you know, but the light bulb, but there's so many light bulb moments that just happened. You're like, oh my God, how did I not put these two things
Speaker 2 00:47:44 Together? I know, I don't. That's
Speaker 1 00:47:46 What I love. You know? And how this book just like breaks it all down for you and just like, you gonna be mind blown, absolutely mind blown when it just clicks.
Speaker 2 00:47:55 Yeah. And again, you know, what I love about this book is they keep, you know, trying to reassure the reader. I know it's a lot of information to process. Please don't be overwhelmed, but you can start with little, little tiny steps. And one of the things that, uh, they mentioned this chapter, which they go into much more detail later on, is, uh, CLTs are core longevity toppers of, you know, how you can just add a little bit of fresh to even your current commercial, you know, dry food diet or whatever you're feeding processed diet to freshen up the ball, you know, to slowly start, you know, making incremental, uh, changes. And again, the idea is that even when you just change 20%, take out 20% process and add 20% fresh, you know, you really reduce the, the, the incidence of cancer for your animal. I mean, like, can you imagine just 20% just adding some, you know, chopped veggies or, you know, like the, the, the, the, the spoiled tops of the carrots or the celery throwing it in there, you know?
Speaker 2 00:49:00 Um, it, it, it does miracles. That's why I, I love my dog. I call 'em my garbage compactor, <laugh>. That's because, you know, for most people who don't know, I've got like 12 cats and one dog and you know, that's the human as well, which doesn't count really. Um, but whatever leftovers, you know, so long as it's, um, you know, safe to give my dog, she finishes it. I mean, I hate to say it sounds for my dog mama. My cats like, eat too fast and they throw up very quickly. You know, my dog is Zoom first one there to whip it up and lick it up, you know, and I know pet parents, especially in Asia, who are very, um, clean freaks, right? They're like, ah, you know, don't eat that. You gonna die, you gonna die. You know? Um, but like, hey, it's basically a long digestive acid acid in there, but the dog's stomach has a high, um, uh, what do you call it, low pH?
Speaker 2 00:49:58 Is that what it is? Or high, high, high acidity level. Yeah. So I can't remember the, my pH scale higher number is more alkaline. Is it lower? Is acidic. Okay. I'm, I, I feel in that, so don't, don't take my word for it, but basically cats and dogs have a higher acidity level in their gut, you know, and that's why, I mean, in very simple ways that they can eat a lot of of crap, you know? Um, you know, uh, they own food that we can't mm-hmm. <affirmative> because they, they can actually process all that. You know? Like salmonella would not kill them cuz they actually have naturally occurring salmonella in their stomach as well. No big deal. Uh, one thing I remember Dr. Ian Billinghurst when I interviewed him, he actually also, um, when he gives, um, his talks as well and um, he gives, he shows like slides, right?
Speaker 2 00:50:55 One of the slides he shows people is, um, the dog licking his butt, the dog drinking out toilet bowl, you know, and then running around and it's like, yeah. And you know what comes outta the dog's butt? Right? You know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's basically shit. And they do eat other, you know, shit like sometimes other, other dogs poop or, um, like for my dogs and he will look for my cat's poop in the little box sometimes, you know, it's a bit icky for us human beings, you know. But usually it tells me that, okay, I need to pay a bit more attention to a stomach because she's craving something that I have, I have missed out in her, in her usual food. So like, okay, I might have to add a bit more, maybe like more fermented, um, vegetables or, you know, more berries or, you know, uh, up her digestive enzymes or her probiotics, you know.
Speaker 2 00:51:49 So that's usually a sign for me cuz when I am more conscious and diligent in my feeding for her. Cuz I don't feed a balanced diet every day, but, you know, I do a, what's the word? I balance it over time. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, you know, like one night she will have a chicken car, my whole chicken car and that's it, you know. Um, some nights she, she might just have like a pork, uh, a pig trotter mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, that kind of thing. Um, other nights she might have a, a whole macro fish as her meal, you know. Then some nights is, I, I will mix it with uh, the commercial raw food that I buy cuz obviously it's easy, but then I might add in my own batch blends, you know, berries or, or whatever in and whatever supplements to, to give her. So it's like, yeah, dogs much better than cats in a way because they, I biologically evolve to go into salvation mode. Cuz as the book said, um, they were not very good hunters all the time. <laugh>, unlike cats who are pretty good hunters, dogs don't always get their food. So they do go hungry for a couple of days before they get their next kill. So, and they mentioned in this book, wasn't it Dr. Cfri from Boston College and he talked about this one very old, um, experiment that scientists did. Yeah. And, uh, what was the dog's name? Do you remember? I don't remember
Speaker 1 00:53:27 The dog name.
Speaker 2 00:53:28 I'm was it Rocky Rockwell or something?
Speaker 1 00:53:31 Ju I know exactly what you're talking about. It was a couple pages back, I
Speaker 2 00:53:35 Think that I'm, yeah. And, and basically it was a, it's not done now, but it was a very in, uh, a very, uh, now it's considered unethical, but they starved this farm dog. Okay. It was a working farm dog and they starved it for a hundred days. Yeah. Right. And when they decided like, oh my god, a hundred days is okay, too much, I think we're gonna stop. And the dog went back and then basically he still had the energy, energy to jump over the fence or something. Right. And it was,
Speaker 1 00:54:05 His name was Oscar.
Speaker 2 00:54:06 Oscar. Oscar, that's right. Oh, oh yeah. Oh yes. Oscar. You know, so, um, he saw, he, he shares the story, Dr. Cfri. And, and um, you know, it reinforces the thing again that our dogs, healthy dogs, not sick dogs, but healthy dogs can survive without food for quite a while. You know, they might not look visually appealing to what we are comfortable looking at, what we think, what we think is, uh, normal or like acceptable, you know, body weight and condition. Um, but yes, they can actually, as the experiment showed, survive even a hundred days and beyond, uh, without food. So that, that was something that also hit me.
Speaker 1 00:54:58 Yeah. And that, um, actually in a weird way, I actually saw a friend of mine post about a dog that her son and, uh, had picked up, I don't know what kind of dog it was, I just knew it was a short-haired kind of medium sized dog. The dog they found, I guess was on the side of the road. They decided to do the right thing and pick the dog up. No, no sign of, you know, anywhere the dog belonged to picture of the dog. He was emaciated. And you see stories like that, you know, every so often where people find, you know, dog has probably been lost, you know, wandering around, bending it for itself. You have no idea how long the dog, the dog's gone without food. But he's obviously emaciated. Does he need medical attention? Yes. Does he need food? Yes. But that dog has lasted a while depending on how, you know, how much weight he had before he ended up, you know, wandering off from where he lived, you know, and I've seen it with horses too.
Speaker 1 00:55:46 There's a friend of mine down in South Carolina that had rescued a, um, horse couple, I think it was last year maybe, and you know, completely emaciated. And how long did that horse live? How long was it in that condition before someone came in and rescued? So can they still survive for a long time with that food? They can't, obviously nobody wants emaciation for their pets, but it does show you they can live for quite a while. Are they in pain? Do they need medical attention? Yes, they do. <laugh>, they need, they need help desperately bad, but they will live a long time without food. And there's a healthy, you know, limit to go without food where you induce apoptosis and autophagy and it's very beneficial. But then if you go past that point to Emaciation and you see rib bones, then yes, that is, you know, the body's starting to degrade rapidly.
Speaker 1 00:56:35 So there's obviously a, a, you know, a line in the sand there. But yes, they can go without food for quite some time. You know, it, it sounds horrible. The dog went for a hundred days without food. You're like, holy crap. You know? Yeah. It's, even they say, you know, it's a, it's a crappy study. It's, it's hard to hear, but the animal can do it. You know, we can, we ourselves can go for a while without food. It's good for your body to stop intaking food and let it clean house. And when I learned, you know, about, you know, that feeding window, or not eating as much as we think we should, you know, there was one of my past jobs is, or any job you have, really, but I relate it to a past job I had working warehouse, where it's just like you work for so many hours and then you have to stop.
Speaker 1 00:57:15 You have to clean up that mess you've made throughout the day. Your body's the same way. You know, our dog buys you the same way if they're constantly eating all day long. When, when do you turn off the intake machine <laugh> for the, you know, the little cleaner helpers of your body to go through and just like, okay, we gotta clean up all this stuff that's happened all day long and kind of, and reset and give everything some time to like calm down. And, you know, we go to sleep at night, you know, your dog goes sleep at night. They, they need that time to, you know, rest. Oh, what is Karen Becker say? The time, rest, repair and restore. You know, we, we forget about that cuz you know, standard American diet and standard American living and you know, I'm sure it's true for, um, not every country but several countries, you know, it's just like we see the food and we, we see the fast food and we see all the yummy, delicious stuff. We wanna eat it. But, you know, back on that topic of not eating all the time and trying to let the body do what it's designed to do, it's okay to go without food for a little while. So it takes an adjustment period to kind of experience it. But in the long run it's okay. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:58:19 Yeah. So, you know, basically now the question is like, okay, you, you know, like, alright, so this book is talking about, okay, um, you know, like food nutrition, so you know, what is the so-called best practices for feeding your dog? And they talk about the two teas type and timing. So what type of nutrients are ideal and when should meals be timed throughout the day? Right? So this, this is something that I think for a lot of pet parents, it's like, again, something new because it's like, oh, okay, first you tell me like, oh, uh, my dog can, can go without food for a few days. Now you're telling me like there's a, there's an ideal timing. Like, you know, huh. You know, um, yes. And what type of food should I feed to, you know, optimize their diet. Um, basically, you know, so, um, what, what I like about this food, again, it really educates you about, you know, the percentages of like protein and fat, you know, versus carbohydrates. Um, you know, uh, again, it talks about, uh, modern day agriculture, big food, um, business, and actually big pet food, uh, industry as well. And, and basically, you know, again, it's, it's sort of, um, talks about the ancestral dog's dna, you know, um, they're not really, they don't have that, uh, saliva, what do you call it? Saliva, uh, enzymes. Emilys Yeah, Emilys
Speaker 1 00:59:55 Emilys,
Speaker 2 00:59:55 Yeah. Yeah. They, for easy, um, to, to break down carbohydrates, you know, naturally. So it's like a lot of, a lot of pet parents like, oh, but you know, I feed my dog rice and, you know, whatever, it's fine. And pet food is basically corn, right? Maze, um, wheat, uh, you know, but the thing is, they, they can eat it over time, but it doesn't mean that it's healthy for them long term because their body isn't meant to eat a lot of that. You know, after a while you, you sort of screw up their pancreas and then you get all sorts of problems. That's where the, the thing with the kibble diet, you know, uh, pancreatitis comes in, uh, diabetes, obesity, uh, for your dog, um, inflammation, you know, uh, that, that sort of, this book for me sort of, um, slowly teaches you, you know, like, um, really the kibble diet, uh, because it's rich in carbohydrates, uh, causes a lot of, it triggers a lot of insults, um, health insults to, to your pet, you know? So yeah. That's, that's what I like about it.
Speaker 1 01:01:19 Yeah. And to reiterate, and I'm, I'm sure I've said this before, but I'll say it again and it says it in this book, clear as Day, and for anybody listening or reading it is on page one 15, it says, A dogs carbohydrate requirement is zero. They have zero requirement, which means they do not need it to live. Now, we've almost like forced our dogs to adapt to that. Can they live with carbohydrates? Yeah. They, they've learned how to process them and, and survive, you know, and when you do the carb equation math, which is a whole, um, short little math equation, I think we did that. Um, did we do that last week? We did something with a, with the carb, or
Speaker 2 01:02:00 No, we did,
Speaker 1 01:02:01 I knew we had the calculator out, but we, the a,
Speaker 2 01:02:03 Um, we should do it, we should do that for the cops
Speaker 1 01:02:07 <laugh>. So, yeah, you know, with the, with the carve equation, it's pretty easy. Protein, fat, fiber, moisture in ash, the book goes into, um, how to get that. You subtract it from a hundred and you'll start to find out that a lot of ultra processed food in your, in your kibble pellets have anywhere from, you know, 40 to 60% carbs and sugars. And then when you read the ingredient panels, you're like, oh, hey, that's sugar, and that's sugar, and that's sugar, that's sugar. So you do the math first to kind of figure out what is in that, um, bag you're feeding again, it's, you take a hundred and you add up the protein content, the fat content, the fiber content, the moisture and the ash. If ash is not listed, it's usually around six or 7%, but you do the math, you add those all up. Yeah. Subtract it from a hundred and there you go. And that is not clearly listed on the packaging of the food, because guess what? The manufacturers do not want you to know.
Speaker 2 01:03:00 Yep. And again, there is a really good video that Rodney did on this one, um, how to calculate go and go and look for it. Um, it, the first time I, I found out about this little equation, and then I started thinking all my, all my bags and I was like, holy shit, you know, <laugh>, that's so much, that's wrong. That's so wrong. You know, and the thing is right in the human food nutrition world, um, they, they, you know, basically it's the same thing. You know, when you eat too much carbs and sugar, you're gonna have all sorts of health issues. Right? And, and sadly, sadly, because of the way, again, agriculture and the, the food manufacturing is done, the politics is done, is that they, they, because of profit, they like to use refined, uh, grains of flour, whatever you wanna call it, you know, they, they, they, the quality of the ingredients that they turn out to sell even for food byproducts is very poor, very, very poor, you know? So it's highly refined and lots of sugar and it causes humans health issues. When you do this calculation and you look at your dog's diet, what you're feeding it, you realize it's exactly the same thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know? So again, that was a light bulb moment for us.
Speaker 1 01:04:34 Yeah. I remember the first time I learned about that, I did the same thing. I was going, you know, through different products I feel, I'm like, okay, when, what did I used to feed and how much was in there? Or French would ask me questions, he'd be like, Hey, you know, what's the good food? You seem to know about this? I'm just like, what are you feeding? Or what are you looking at? And I would do the carb math. I'm just like, yeah, no, no, too much sugar. <laugh> something else. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 01:04:56 Yeah,
Speaker 1 01:04:57 Of course. I explained it to them. I'm just like, well, you know, you had this and that and you know, you get, you know, you're looking about 50% sugar or 47% or maybe 63% whatever. They were asking me to kind of look up for 'em or help 'em out with, but I'm just like, yeah, you might wanna not go down that route and try to try something else that's a little less sugary and curvy.
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